Talk:Learn Cyrillic - Revision history

Generacide: Post edit comments

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Post edit comments

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	The v sound in Serbian, [ʋ], is more in-between /v/ and /w/, most English dialects don't have the sound so it's hard to get at, and the voiceless plosives aren't aspirated like they usually are in english, they're more like they are after /s/, think like sTop, sCam, sPot, you'll notice they're different, and as for č I can't think of any word in English that has unaspirated /t͡ʃ/ --[[User:Ziwi\|Ziwi]]		The v sound in Serbian, [ʋ], is more in-between /v/ and /w/, most English dialects don't have the sound so it's hard to get at, and the voiceless plosives aren't aspirated like they usually are in english, they're more like they are after /s/, think like sTop, sCam, sPot, you'll notice they're different, and as for č I can't think of any word in English that has unaspirated /t͡ʃ/ --[[User:Ziwi\|Ziwi]]

			== Changed merged: April 11th 2025 ==
			Hello, thanks for using this page. Putting pronunciations into a table was nice idea and I've added it to the main article while making my own modifications. As for the talk about precise pronunciation, I think it's out of scope for this page, as it's meant to be a basic overview of the alphabet for someone who wants to navigate Savez but can't read Cyrillic. Approximate pronunciations will suffice, and I think the existing ones are good already. I think using IPA letters (which I can't even read) is out of scope, but if some madlad wanted to add audio samples for each letter's pronunciation, be my guest. Just know there are regional accent differences within Serbia and Republika Srpska so don't assume one person's way of saying a letter or word is "correct". Ideally we'd have someone from Belgrade pronounce the letters, but that's just a thought.

			By the way, those audio samples better be good lol.

			--[[User:Generacide\|Generacide]]

Ziwi: Being kind of nitpicky

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Being kind of nitpicky

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	Ah yeah sorry about that. I whipped up the comment and had to run off somewhere. I was thinking, if it's supposed to be pronouncing "d" and "ž" at once, would it be like the "G" in gendarmerie? Like the French pronunciation of "J" (If I recall correctly it's like how Bayonetta pronounces her friend's name, Jeanne). Perhaps not exact, but that was my line of thinking. Or maybe is it the "j" sound of "badge"? It's on the tip of my tongue, I just can't find a solid approximation. I know that in Russian, they use that combo for the name "John" or any name a "J" but that's an approximation on how they would say that name. --[[User:Randomatribute20k\|Randomatribute20k]]		Ah yeah sorry about that. I whipped up the comment and had to run off somewhere. I was thinking, if it's supposed to be pronouncing "d" and "ž" at once, would it be like the "G" in gendarmerie? Like the French pronunciation of "J" (If I recall correctly it's like how Bayonetta pronounces her friend's name, Jeanne). Perhaps not exact, but that was my line of thinking. Or maybe is it the "j" sound of "badge"? It's on the tip of my tongue, I just can't find a solid approximation. I know that in Russian, they use that combo for the name "John" or any name a "J" but that's an approximation on how they would say that name. --[[User:Randomatribute20k\|Randomatribute20k]]

			Dž is just like the J in English. Đ is different. I guess you can say đ is more "springy"? It's how it feels like when I say it. --[[User:Ziwi\|Ziwi]]

			== V and the voiceless plosives ==

			The v sound in Serbian, [ʋ], is more in-between /v/ and /w/, most English dialects don't have the sound so it's hard to get at, and the voiceless plosives aren't aspirated like they usually are in english, they're more like they are after /s/, think like sTop, sCam, sPot, you'll notice they're different, and as for č I can't think of any word in English that has unaspirated /t͡ʃ/ --[[User:Ziwi\|Ziwi]]

Randomatribute20k: Notes

2025-04-10T18:24:52Z

Notes

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	I see what you're getting at here, though I believe the more politically correct way to say it is that it is a lower "J" or sharp "J" sound. I recommend looking at other Serbian language learning sites and see what their assessments are.		I see what you're getting at here, though I believe the more politically correct way to say it is that it is a lower "J" or sharp "J" sound. I recommend looking at other Serbian language learning sites and see what their assessments are. --[[User:Randomatribute20k\|Randomatribute20k]]

	I don't mean to be that guy but I can't think of any Indian languages that have the sound (unless you count Bengali). For ć I would say like how Brits say the T in "Tuesday" and for đ I would say like how (at least some) Americans say the d-y in "did you". Maybe you confused [dʑ] for [ɖʐ]? Also, how Brits say the lli in million works for lj. --[[User:Ziwi\|Ziwi]]		I don't mean to be that guy but I can't think of any Indian languages that have the sound (unless you count Bengali). For ć I would say like how Brits say the T in "Tuesday" and for đ I would say like how (at least some) Americans say the d-y in "did you". Maybe you confused [dʑ] for [ɖʐ]? Also, how Brits say the lli in million works for lj. --[[User:Ziwi\|Ziwi]]
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	I mean, the best way to do this would be to get rid of the "Approximate english pronounciation" part entirely and replace them with IPA codes, but not everyone here (partly including me) knows what exactly they mean, so that would render the table basically useless. I switched out the original example of "J in Jay" because that sounds more like 'dž' when I pronounce it.		I mean, the best way to do this would be to get rid of the "Approximate english pronounciation" part entirely and replace them with IPA codes, but not everyone here (partly including me) knows what exactly they mean, so that would render the table basically useless. I switched out the original example of "J in Jay" because that sounds more like 'dž' when I pronounce it.
	P.S. Random, no offense, but could you sign your posts please? The format to do so is -- and four tilde. This might help for later comments: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Wikipedia_basics_-_Talk_pages.ogv --[[User:SrbinKrajisnik\|SrbinKrajisnik]] ([[User talk:SrbinKrajisnik\|talk]]) 09:01, 10 April 2025 (UTC)		P.S. Random, no offense, but could you sign your posts please? The format to do so is -- and four tilde. This might help for later comments: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Wikipedia_basics_-_Talk_pages.ogv --[[User:SrbinKrajisnik\|SrbinKrajisnik]] ([[User talk:SrbinKrajisnik\|talk]]) 09:01, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

			Ah yeah sorry about that. I whipped up the comment and had to run off somewhere. I was thinking, if it's supposed to be pronouncing "d" and "ž" at once, would it be like the "G" in gendarmerie? Like the French pronunciation of "J" (If I recall correctly it's like how Bayonetta pronounces her friend's name, Jeanne). Perhaps not exact, but that was my line of thinking. Or maybe is it the "j" sound of "badge"? It's on the tip of my tongue, I just can't find a solid approximation. I know that in Russian, they use that combo for the name "John" or any name a "J" but that's an approximation on how they would say that name. --[[User:Randomatribute20k\|Randomatribute20k]]

SrbinKrajisnik at 09:02, 10 April 2025

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	I don't mean to be that guy but I can't think of any Indian languages that have the sound (unless you count Bengali). For ć I would say like how Brits say the T in "Tuesday" and for đ I would say like how (at least some) Americans say the d-y in "did you". Maybe you confused [dʑ] for [ɖʐ]? Also, how Brits say the lli in million works for lj. --[[User:Ziwi\|Ziwi]]		I don't mean to be that guy but I can't think of any Indian languages that have the sound (unless you count Bengali). For ć I would say like how Brits say the T in "Tuesday" and for đ I would say like how (at least some) Americans say the d-y in "did you". Maybe you confused [dʑ] for [ɖʐ]? Also, how Brits say the lli in million works for lj. --[[User:Ziwi\|Ziwi]]

			I mean, the best way to do this would be to get rid of the "Approximate english pronounciation" part entirely and replace them with IPA codes, but not everyone here (partly including me) knows what exactly they mean, so that would render the table basically useless. I switched out the original example of "J in Jay" because that sounds more like 'dž' when I pronounce it.
			P.S. Random, no offense, but could you sign your posts please? The format to do so is -- and four tilde. This might help for later comments: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Wikipedia_basics_-_Talk_pages.ogv --[[User:SrbinKrajisnik\|SrbinKrajisnik]] ([[User talk:SrbinKrajisnik\|talk]]) 09:01, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Ziwi at 08:53, 10 April 2025

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	I see what you're getting at here, though I believe the more politically correct way to say it is that it is a lower "J" or sharp "J" sound. I recommend looking at other Serbian language learning sites and see what their assessments are.		I see what you're getting at here, though I believe the more politically correct way to say it is that it is a lower "J" or sharp "J" sound. I recommend looking at other Serbian language learning sites and see what their assessments are.

			I don't mean to be that guy but I can't think of any Indian languages that have the sound (unless you count Bengali). For ć I would say like how Brits say the T in "Tuesday" and for đ I would say like how (at least some) Americans say the d-y in "did you". Maybe you confused [dʑ] for [ɖʐ]? Also, how Brits say the lli in million works for lj. --[[User:Ziwi\|Ziwi]]

Randomatribute20k: /* The Indian Accent comment */ new section

2025-04-09T20:25:35Z

The Indian Accent comment: new section

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	Also, I apologise for the inclusion of "J in Jeans with an indian accent" and "J in Jeans with an american accent", it's just hard to find the sound that 'Ђ' makes and to make it distinct from "Џ". --[[User:SrbinKrajisnik\|SrbinKrajisnik]] ([[User talk:SrbinKrajisnik\|talk]]) 14:00, 9 April 2025 (UTC)		Also, I apologise for the inclusion of "J in Jeans with an indian accent" and "J in Jeans with an american accent", it's just hard to find the sound that 'Ђ' makes and to make it distinct from "Џ". --[[User:SrbinKrajisnik\|SrbinKrajisnik]] ([[User talk:SrbinKrajisnik\|talk]]) 14:00, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

			== The Indian Accent comment ==

			I see what you're getting at here, though I believe the more politically correct way to say it is that it is a lower "J" or sharp "J" sound. I recommend looking at other Serbian language learning sites and see what their assessments are.

SrbinKrajisnik: /* Cyrillic-Latin table */

2025-04-09T14:00:22Z

Cyrillic-Latin table

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	You may modify this as you see fit, but this is just the basic idea. --[[User:SrbinKrajisnik\|SrbinKrajisnik]] ([[User talk:SrbinKrajisnik\|talk]]) 13:57, 9 April 2025 (UTC)		You may modify this as you see fit, but this is just the basic idea. --[[User:SrbinKrajisnik\|SrbinKrajisnik]] ([[User talk:SrbinKrajisnik\|talk]]) 13:57, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

			Also, I apologise for the inclusion of "J in Jeans with an indian accent" and "J in Jeans with an american accent", it's just hard to find the sound that 'Ђ' makes and to make it distinct from "Џ". --[[User:SrbinKrajisnik\|SrbinKrajisnik]] ([[User talk:SrbinKrajisnik\|talk]]) 14:00, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

SrbinKrajisnik: /* Cyrillic-Latin table */ new section

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Cyrillic-Latin table: new section

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== Cyrillic-Latin table ==

I'd say a better way to do this would be the following:
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Cyrillic to Latin conversion
|-
! Cyrillic !! Latin !! English pronounciation
|-
| Аа || Aa || A ('ah')
|-
| Бб || Bb || B
|-
| Вв || Vv || V
|-
| Гг || Gg || G
|-
| Дд || Dd || D
|-
| Ђђ || Đđ || J (like in 'Jeans' but with an indian accent)
|-
| Ее || Ee || E ('eh')
|-
| Жж || Žž || Zh (like the G in 'Deluge')
|-
| Зз || Zz || Z
|-
| Ии || Ii || EE (like in 'Speed')
|-
| Јј || Jj || Y (like in 'Yellow')
|-
| Кк || Kk || K
|-
| Лл || Ll || L
|-
| Љљ || Lj lj || LY (compound letter of L and Y)
|-
| Мм || Mm || M
|-
| Нн || Nn || N
|-
| Њњ || Nj nj || NY (similar to Lj, like spanish Ñ)
|-
| Оо || Oo || O ('oh')
|-
| Пп || Pp || P
|-
| Рр || Rr || R (rolled)
|-
| Сс || Ss || S
|-
| Тт || Tt || T
|-
| Ћћ || Ćć || Tch (like in 'Switch')
|-
| Уу || Uu || Oo (like in 'Food')
|-
| Фф || Ff || F
|-
| Хх || Hh || H
|-
| Цц || Cc || Ts (like in 'Cats')
|-
| Чч || Čč || Ch (like in 'Children')
|-
| Џџ || Dž dž || J (like in 'Jeans' but with an american accent)
|-
| Шш || Šš || Sh (like in 'Shush')
|}
You may modify this as you see fit, but this is just the basic idea. --[[User:SrbinKrajisnik|SrbinKrajisnik]] ([[User talk:SrbinKrajisnik|talk]]) 13:57, 9 April 2025 (UTC)