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Talk:A M E R I K A

2025-04-11T22:25:59Z

SrbinKrajisnik:

== Slavko "Amerika" ==

I've googled the guy and found a [https://ucr.irmct.org/LegalRef/CMSDocStore/Public/English/Transcript/NotIndexable/MICT-15-96/TRS21010R0000634421.doc supposed court transcript] from an official UN website, which mentions this: 

<nowiki>19 As you can see, it's a meeting in Doboj, 6 February 1993. So</nowiki> 
<nowiki>20 we're in the same time zone. And he says at number 2, meeting with the</nowiki> 
<nowiki>21 political structures in Doboj, number 2:</nowiki> 
<nowiki>22 "Slavko Lazarevic, aka Amerika, now called Ciganovic, lives in</nowiki> 
<nowiki>23 Belgrade and has permission from Stanisic to form the Red Berets at Ozren</nowiki> 
<nowiki>24 (Mico wrote an order for Bozovic to form a special unit at the CJB</nowiki> 
<nowiki>25 Security Centre in Doboj), and these units would serve for taking out the</nowiki> 
<nowiki>1 wealth from this area.-"</nowiki> 
<nowiki>2 Now, my question is were you aware in your role at the border,</nowiki> 
<nowiki>3 your role at Bajina Basta, that Mico Stanisic, Republika Srpska MUP, was</nowiki> 
<nowiki>4 engaged in organising paramilitaries in the region of Doboj. And in this</nowiki> 
<nowiki>5 instance, according to Mladic, organising or giving permission to</nowiki> 
<nowiki>6 Bozovic. But just let's stick with: Were you aware that Mico Stanisic,</nowiki> 
<nowiki>7 commander of the Republika Srpska MUP, was engaged in giving permission</nowiki> 
<nowiki>8 to special units in the Doboj area?</nowiki> 
<nowiki>9 A. No, I'm not aware of that.</nowiki> 
<nowiki>10 Q. Have you ever heard of Slavko Lazarevic, aka Amerika?</nowiki> 
<nowiki>11 A. No.</nowiki> 
<nowiki>12 Q. Let's move on then.</nowiki> 
It also mentions Božović if you read into it. --[[User:SrbinKrajisnik|SrbinKrajisnik]] ([[User talk:SrbinKrajisnik|talk]]) 22:25, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Talk:A M E R I K A

2025-04-11T22:24:04Z

SrbinKrajisnik: /* Slavko "Amerika" */

Talk:A M E R I K A

2025-04-11T22:23:31Z

SrbinKrajisnik: /* Slavko "Amerika" */

Talk:A M E R I K A

2025-04-11T22:21:49Z

SrbinKrajisnik: /* Slavko "Amerika" */

== Slavko "Amerika" ==

I've googled the guy and found a [https://ucr.irmct.org/LegalRef/CMSDocStore/Public/English/Transcript/NotIndexable/MICT-15-96/TRS21010R0000634421.doc supposed court transcript] from an official UN website, which mentions this: 

<nowiki>19 As you can see, it's a meeting in Doboj, 6 February 1993. So 
20 we're in the same time zone. And he says at number 2, meeting with the 
21 political structures in Doboj, number 2: 
22 "Slavko Lazarevic, aka Amerika, now called Ciganovic, lives in 
23 Belgrade and has permission from Stanisic to form the Red Berets at Ozren 
24 (Mico wrote an order for Bozovic to form a special unit at the CJB 
25 Security Centre in Doboj), and these units would serve for taking out the 
1 wealth from this area.-" 
2 Now, my question is were you aware in your role at the border, 
3 your role at Bajina Basta, that Mico Stanisic, Republika Srpska MUP, was 
4 engaged in organising paramilitaries in the region of Doboj. And in this 
5 instance, according to Mladic, organising or giving permission to 
6 Bozovic. But just let's stick with: Were you aware that Mico Stanisic, 
7 commander of the Republika Srpska MUP, was engaged in giving permission 
8 to special units in the Doboj area? 
9 A. No, I'm not aware of that. 
10 Q. Have you ever heard of Slavko Lazarevic, aka Amerika? 
11 A. No. 
12 Q. Let's move on then. </nowiki>
It also mentions Božović if you read into it.

Talk:A M E R I K A

2025-04-11T22:20:55Z

SrbinKrajisnik: /* Slavko "Amerika" */

== Slavko "Amerika" ==

I've googled the guy and found a [https://ucr.irmct.org/LegalRef/CMSDocStore/Public/English/Transcript/NotIndexable/MICT-15-96/TRS21010R0000634421.doc supposed court transcript] from an official UN website, which mentions this: 

19 As you can see, it's a meeting in Doboj, 6 February 1993. So 
20 we're in the same time zone. And he says at number 2, meeting with the 
21 political structures in Doboj, number 2: 
22 "Slavko Lazarevic, aka Amerika, now called Ciganovic, lives in 
23 Belgrade and has permission from Stanisic to form the Red Berets at Ozren 
24 (Mico wrote an order for Bozovic to form a special unit at the CJB 
25 Security Centre in Doboj), and these units would serve for taking out the 
1 wealth from this area.-" 
2 Now, my question is were you aware in your role at the border, 
3 your role at Bajina Basta, that Mico Stanisic, Republika Srpska MUP, was 
4 engaged in organising paramilitaries in the region of Doboj. And in this 
5 instance, according to Mladic, organising or giving permission to 
6 Bozovic. But just let's stick with: Were you aware that Mico Stanisic, 
7 commander of the Republika Srpska MUP, was engaged in giving permission 
8 to special units in the Doboj area? 
9 A. No, I'm not aware of that. 
10 Q. Have you ever heard of Slavko Lazarevic, aka Amerika? 
11 A. No. 
12 Q. Let's move on then. 
It also mentions Božović if you read into it.

Talk:A M E R I K A

2025-04-11T22:20:05Z

SrbinKrajisnik: /* Slavko "Amerika" */ new section

== Slavko "Amerika" ==

I've googled the guy and found a [https://ucr.irmct.org/LegalRef/CMSDocStore/Public/English/Transcript/NotIndexable/MICT-15-96/TRS21010R0000634421.doc supposed court transcript] from an official UN website, which mentions this:
19 As you can see, it's a meeting in Doboj, 6 February 1993. So
20 we're in the same time zone. And he says at number 2, meeting with the
21 political structures in Doboj, number 2:
22 "Slavko Lazarevic, aka Amerika, now called Ciganovic, lives in
23 Belgrade and has permission from Stanisic to form the Red Berets at Ozren
24 (Mico wrote an order for Bozovic to form a special unit at the CJB
25 Security Centre in Doboj), and these units would serve for taking out the
1 wealth from this area.-"
2 Now, my question is were you aware in your role at the border,
3 your role at Bajina Basta, that Mico Stanisic, Republika Srpska MUP, was
4 engaged in organising paramilitaries in the region of Doboj. And in this
5 instance, according to Mladic, organising or giving permission to
6 Bozovic. But just let's stick with: Were you aware that Mico Stanisic,
7 commander of the Republika Srpska MUP, was engaged in giving permission
8 to special units in the Doboj area?
9 A. No, I'm not aware of that.
10 Q. Have you ever heard of Slavko Lazarevic, aka Amerika?
11 A. No.
12 Q. Let's move on then.
It also mentions Božović if you read into it.

A M E R I K A

2025-04-11T22:11:47Z

SrbinKrajisnik: /* Music and lyrics */ Slavko's nickname (?) was Slavko "Amerika", as proven by the title of this song, and of the VSO song by the title of, well, "Slavko Amerika".

{{Infobox song
| name = А М Е Р И К А
| type = song
| artist = [[Zoran Damjanović Zoka|Зоран Дамјановић Зока]]
| album = [[Ne damo te Ozren goro voljena|Не дамо те Озрен горо вољена]]
| English_title = America
| released = 1994
| genre = [[Novokompovana narodna muzika|Novokompovana]]
| length = {{Duration|m=3|s=40}}
}}

"'''A M E R I K A'''" (Serbian Cyrillic: "А М Е Р И К А", lit. "A M E R I C A") is a song performed by Zoran Damjanović Zoka.

==Music and lyrics==
Despite the format of the song's name, it is not an acronym or initialism. Similarly, the lyrics have nothing to do with America, and instead are about a man named Slavko Lazarević "Amerika".

==Lyrics==
{| class="toptextcells" cellpadding="10" width="100%"
|-
|
===Lyrics:===
<poem>
Ko to gazi pitomom planinom,
Iz očiju sjeva živa vatra,
Jeste li čuli za toga Srbina,
Znatel' braćo Lazarević Slavka

Brate Slavko, naš Lazare,
Svi Ozrenci tebe hvale,
Pomozi nam mili rode,
Da stignemo do slobode

Ide Slavko voljenom planinom,
Kao Lazar po Kosovu ravnom,
Zakleo se još tad kao dijete,
Ozren Goru učiniti slavnom

Brate Slavko, naš Lazare,
Svi Ozrenci tebe hvale,
Pomozi nam mili rode,
Da stignemo do slobode

Od Kosova pa sve na ovamo,
Srpske majke rađaše junake,
Istorija ozrenskog naroda,
Zapisaće ime svoga Slavke

Brate Slavko, naš Lazare,
Svi Ozrenci tebe hvale,
Pomozi nam mili rode,
Da stignemo do slobode
</poem>
| style="margin-left:2em" |
===Lyrics (English):===
<poem lang="en">
[TBA]
</poem>
|}
[[Category:Songs]]

Talk:Learn Cyrillic

2025-04-10T09:02:22Z

SrbinKrajisnik:

== Cyrillic-Latin table ==

I'd say a better way to do this would be the following:
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Cyrillic to Latin conversion
|-
! Cyrillic !! Latin !! English pronounciation
|-
| Аа || Aa || A ('ah')
|-
| Бб || Bb || B
|-
| Вв || Vv || V
|-
| Гг || Gg || G
|-
| Дд || Dd || D
|-
| Ђђ || Đđ || J (like in 'Jeans' but with an indian accent)
|-
| Ее || Ee || E ('eh')
|-
| Жж || Žž || Zh (like the G in 'Deluge')
|-
| Зз || Zz || Z
|-
| Ии || Ii || EE (like in 'Speed')
|-
| Јј || Jj || Y (like in 'Yellow')
|-
| Кк || Kk || K
|-
| Лл || Ll || L
|-
| Љљ || Lj lj || LY (compound letter of L and Y)
|-
| Мм || Mm || M
|-
| Нн || Nn || N
|-
| Њњ || Nj nj || NY (similar to Lj, like spanish Ñ)
|-
| Оо || Oo || O ('oh')
|-
| Пп || Pp || P
|-
| Рр || Rr || R (rolled)
|-
| Сс || Ss || S
|-
| Тт || Tt || T
|-
| Ћћ || Ćć || Tch (like in 'Switch')
|-
| Уу || Uu || Oo (like in 'Food')
|-
| Фф || Ff || F
|-
| Хх || Hh || H
|-
| Цц || Cc || Ts (like in 'Cats')
|-
| Чч || Čč || Ch (like in 'Children')
|-
| Џџ || Dž dž || J (like in 'Jeans' but with an american accent)
|-
| Шш || Šš || Sh (like in 'Shush')
|}
You may modify this as you see fit, but this is just the basic idea. --[[User:SrbinKrajisnik|SrbinKrajisnik]] ([[User talk:SrbinKrajisnik|talk]]) 13:57, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Also, I apologise for the inclusion of "J in Jeans with an indian accent" and "J in Jeans with an american accent", it's just hard to find the sound that 'Ђ' makes and to make it distinct from "Џ". --[[User:SrbinKrajisnik|SrbinKrajisnik]] ([[User talk:SrbinKrajisnik|talk]]) 14:00, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

== The Indian Accent comment ==

I see what you're getting at here, though I believe the more politically correct way to say it is that it is a lower "J" or sharp "J" sound. I recommend looking at other Serbian language learning sites and see what their assessments are.

I don't mean to be that guy but I can't think of any Indian languages that have the sound (unless you count Bengali). For ć I would say like how Brits say the T in "Tuesday" and for đ I would say like how (at least some) Americans say the d-y in "did you". Maybe you confused [dʑ] for [ɖʐ]? Also, how Brits say the lli in million works for lj. --[[User:Ziwi|Ziwi]]

I mean, the best way to do this would be to get rid of the "Approximate english pronounciation" part entirely and replace them with IPA codes, but not everyone here (partly including me) knows what exactly they mean, so that would render the table basically useless. I switched out the original example of "J in Jay" because that sounds more like 'dž' when I pronounce it.
P.S. Random, no offense, but could you sign your posts please? The format to do so is -- and four tilde. This might help for later comments: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Wikipedia_basics_-_Talk_pages.ogv --[[User:SrbinKrajisnik|SrbinKrajisnik]] ([[User talk:SrbinKrajisnik|talk]]) 09:01, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Learn Cyrillic

2025-04-09T14:00:22Z

SrbinKrajisnik: /* Cyrillic-Latin table */

Talk:Learn Cyrillic

2025-04-09T13:57:17Z

SrbinKrajisnik: /* Cyrillic-Latin table */ new section

Ne dam Krajine (Song)

2025-04-09T13:23:08Z

SrbinKrajisnik: Changed the english title of the song present in the article ("I Don't Give Krajina") to the correct version present in the lyrics section ("I Won't Give Krajina")

{{Infobox song
| name = Не дам Крајине
| cover = NedamKrajineJugodiskStill1Cropped.jpg
| caption = Still from version 1 of the official music video.
| type = song
| artist = [[Baja Mali Knindža|Баја Мали Книнџа]]
| album = [[Ne dam Krajine|Не дам Крајине]]
| English_title = I Won't Give Krajina
| released = {{Start date|1991}}
| genre = [[Novokompovana narodna muzika|Novokompovana]]
| length = {{Duration|m=3|s=10}}
| label = [[Jugodisk]]
| producer = [[Željko Grujić|Жељко Грујић]]
}}

"'''Ne dam Krajine'''" (Serbian Cyrillic: "Не дам Крајине", lit. "I Won't Give Krajina") is a song written and performed by prominent Serb war singer Baja Mali Knindža. Upon the release of Ne dam Krajine, the song would become a hit and received two music videos. The song would be covered in the 1993 Bora Drljača album, ''[[Nedam Krajine]]''. It would also be featured as a bonus track in the 2020 digital release of ''[[Stan'te paše i ustaše]]'', though was removed in a re-release published in the same year.

==Music and lyrics==
This song would be the first to mention Baja's cousin Lazo, his brother Novak, and his friend Jovo Kalaba. It is also the first of many songs that mention the villages Gubin, Sajković, and Provo. It is one of few songs in Baja's discography that mentions the village of Kazanci.

Like some war songs written in this era, there's a mention of the use of Cyrillic and a crossing with three fingers as notable cultural practices with Serbs.

While not uncommon in Baja's work, when he sings the lyrics "Učio sam ćirilicu", you can hear him smiling.

== Music Video ==
[[File:NedamKrajineJigodisk.gif|left|thumb|Baja walking around.]]

==== Music video 1 (Jugodisk) ====
[[File:KninCastleAdobeStock.jpg|thumb|Knin Castle grounds where Baja and others filmed music videos.]]
This version is fairly basic with Baja either singing or wondering around Knin Castle with occasional close-up shots. When Baja sings "S tri se prsta krstim/Moja desna ruka", he proudly displays the three fingers.

This music video has Baja wearing the same attire seen in the "Božić je" and "Kad sam bio mali" videos. It was originally uploaded to the Jugodisk YouTube channel in 2015 with the video being saturated and the audio quality being poor and predominantly in the right channel.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQViWp_RyEo Baja Mali Knindza - Ne dam Krajine - (Official Video 1993)]. ''Jugodisk Beograd''. 25 November 2015. Retireved 28 November 2023.</ref> It was upscaled with high quality audio in 2020,<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTcQ0rag0GE Baja Mali Knindza - Ne dam Krajine - (Official video 1991)HD]. ''Jugodisk Beograd''. 17 November 2023. Retrieved 28 November 2023.</ref> though both 2015 and 2020 versions do not provide any sort of context as to where the video originated from. It is speculated that it is either from a Jugodisk VHS compilation or was originally made for ''[[Najveći hitovi]]'', but was scrapped in favor of the second version.
==== Music video 2 (SuperTon) ====
[[File:NedamKrajineSuperTonSrpskaArhiva.gif|thumb|This version uses special effects.|left]]This version would appear as the final song in the 1993 compilation ''Najveći hitovi''. It would have higher production value complete with costumes, actors, and a makeshift set. It would also include digital editing such as superimposing via a green screen, image editing, and screen transitions. This version would be the first to surface on the internet and would be the most known version of the video.
[[File:Wikimedia StSavaStSimeon.jpg|thumb|192x192px|Image of the Saints used in the video albeit stretched and cropped.]]
The music video opens up with a boy tagging the wall with "СРБИјА". It then cuts to Baja, armed with a rifle, singing around a campfire with someone smoking in the background. After singing the chorus, a shot of a boy waving a flag is shown and transitions to footage of a church, followed by footage of someone driving by a destroyed church. The boy is superimposed on the footage and an image of Kninja commander Dragan Vasiljković is shown. The scene then transitions to Baja, now facing away from the camera this time standing with a backpack with a radio antenna sticking out. A close-up shot is then layered on the scene, subsequently transitions to Baja back at the campfire for the chorus, followed by the close up shot. Footage of a destroyed town is shown, followed by the boy waving the flag slowed down and panning out. The scene transitions to a still of a church with Baja being superimposed and placed to the left, now facing the camera. An image of one of the oldest depictions of St. Sava and St. Simeon is briefly displayed to the right, rotate and disappear. When Baja repeats the lines "Učio sam ćirilicu/Karadžića Vuka", the scene cuts back to the campfire. Upon the last time the chorus is repeated, Baja is superimposed on footage of a flag waving, slowed down. The scene pans inward past Baja and when the song ends, the video ends with a paused still of the flag for a few seconds until the screen fades to yellow, then to blue where the credits subsequently roll.

Baja wears M93 camo (one of the most common camouflage patterns the JNA used during the war) and a standard olive beret with a Kninja patch that is either the standard version or a special tri-color variant depending on the scene. The man seen smoking around the campfire with Baja has a black jumpsuit with a red beret, reminiscent of the uniforms Arkan's Tigers wore. The child (who is also seen in the music video of "Kad sam bio mali") wears DPM camo instead of the VRS lizard camo pattern and waves a flag. Despite its use bring frequent in this time period, flag used is an alleged unofficial flag design.<ref>[http://fotw.fivestarflags.com/cs-sr_92.html Serbia (Serbia and Montenegro), 1992-2004]. ''Five Star Flags''. 19 August 2006. Retrieved 25 November 2023.</ref>

==Lyrics==
{| class="toptextcells" cellpadding="10" width="100%"
|-
|
===Lyrics:===
<poem>
Odakle si brale?
Neđelje ti svete?
Krajišnik sam sele
Od glave do pete

Dinara me odgojila
Srpkinja me zadojila
Daću život daću sve
Ne dam Krajine

Il ti ime Jovo, Lazo ili Novo?
Znaš li đe je Gubin, Kazanci, Provo?
Znaš li đe je Gubin, Sajković, Provo?

Dinara me odgojila
Srpkinja me zadojila
Daću život daću sve
Ne dam Krajine

S' tri se prsta krstim
Moja desna ruka
Učio sam ćirilicu
Karadžića Vuka

Dinara me odgojila
Srpkinja me zadojila
Daću život daću sve
Ne dam Krajine
</poem>
| style="margin-left:2em" |
===Lyrics (English):===
<poem lang="en">
Where are you from, brother?
Are your Sundays holy?
I'm a native Krajišnik
From head to toe.

The Dinara raised me
A Serb woman nurtured me
I'll give my life, give everything
I won't give Krajina

Is your name Jovo, Lazo or Novo?
Do you know where Gubin, Kazanci and Provo are?
Do you know where Gubin, Sajković and Provo are?

The Dinara raised me
A Serb woman nurtured me
I'll give my life, give everything
I won't give Krajina

With three fingers I cross myself
My right hand
I learned Cyrillic
From Vuk Karadžić

The Dinara raised me
A Serb woman nurtured me
I'll give my life, give everything
I won't give Krajina
</poem>
|}

== References ==
<references />
[[Category:Songs]]